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Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:58:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:DISCLAIMER: However, as soon as any action steps outside The Magic Circle and threatens harm to anyone in real life in any way shape or form, or when you incite others to do so (or when your in game actions are specifically geared towards that, joke or no joke), you break the EULA/ToS; even if you are only stating intent.
Any GM will always take immediate action when this is done.
And for those who think they can force an in game situation out of The Magic Circle to avoid in game consequences by threatening with suicide; the GM department has a strict policy of informing local and international law enforcement agencies of any suicide threats issued NO MATTER THE CONTEXT. In other words, do NOT joke about that. When a RL life is threatened we do not take any risks, ever. wait....the Eve Online EULA/ToS applies to the not game world?????
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Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:10:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:
You answered your own question there. How would you like to live in a living hell? That said, as long as it remains in The Magic Circle we are very lenient in what we allow, as all of you are well aware. This does not give you the right to be anti-social just because you enjoy tormenting others.
Wait a second..Anti Social? Like blowing up other peoples space pixels? Saying mean stuff in local? I appreciate that being a GM is tough but really it seems like everytime you post here the policy gets more and more fuzzy and less and less eve-y. There are in game actions, legitimate actions such as AFK cloaking, 24/7 'Hell Camps", Suicide Ganking and so on, all things I've participated in, designed to make other players in game lives a 'living hell'. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:54:00 -
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Shar Tegral You may think that you are clever and can talk yourself/your point into pretzels but the truth is [b wrote:you are powerless in this situation.[/b] All the talking in the world won't change the fact that if you step over the "perceived" line, you'll be banned. Once you are banned you are no longer a player or a problem. You are just some jerk pleading to be let back in.
See and this is a problem, wheres the line now? Do I have to back off if a victim of a suicide gank says "I'll IRL kill myself if you blow up my ship!!" CanI a whole titian blob be stopped because some one on the other side declares "I'll kill myself if you take my sov!".
The recent kerfluffle was about words but it was words encouraging in game action, that had a implied out of game consequence. Same with the two above situations. Seeing as how people invest time, effort and money into playing the game, knowing what will and will not get you banned is pretty important ESPECIALLY since players are powerless with regards to the GM/Player relationship.
I will also say that despite some confusing answers I really do appreciate GM Homonoia's continued answers here. |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:10:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:I think that all tests are not so smart. Ally leader is the best :) what was his name ? That drunk teenager from ally panel Yes Test has handed Michael Bolton III the keys to the alliance funhouse..... Who's that Montolio guy I keep hearing about? |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:12:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Tobiaz wrote:So if he'd had done it on Failheap or something, CCP wouldn't have cared? Or if by some chance would know someone player's homeadress and I would sent him a death-threat by post, CCP wouldn't care either? They don't have to care what you do on some not related (owning wise) platform. They also can't confirm some entity posting on another platform is indeed that player (which wasn't the case for the stream; cause they knew who that guy talking there (using their channel) is). Degren wrote:I meant like uh...what's it called. "You lowsy Amarrian scum" or something equally lame For me this would be perfectly fine, considering you're clearly addressing their character and not the person behind that avatar. In this case I'd say this is definitely role play. "You lowsy Amarrian playing scum" wouldn't be ok, as now it addresses the player, breaking from roleplay (i.e. it becomes ooc talk). So wait if ANYONE else on that panel had made a similar/the same statement as Mittanni CCP couldn't ban them cause they would have no way to confirm that the person doing it was the character in game? |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:13:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote: He's in TEST, he has no moral compass.
I sold mine for more beer and Jager. |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:15:00 -
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[quote=Prince Kobol
Shame Mittens didn't do this.
[/quote] You can't know that. I seem to remember that discussing/posting petition communications is also bannable... |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:17:00 -
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evereplicant wrote: You are being a typical TEST prat. Nice reply also GM
please continue to post single line replies to wall of text OPs. Also Pod yourself. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:21:00 -
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Tei Lin wrote:Ohgod Townsend is shitting all over my thread. I guess it was a good run.
Thanks GM Homonia for answering rather pointed questions and alleviating any fears of policy changes while clarifying things.
I shall now let this devolve in to people making judgements about others based on their spaceship associations. Hey I'm not pooping on it THAT hard. I'm not even trying hard really. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:35:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Townsend Harris wrote: So wait if ANYONE else on that panel had made a similar/the same statement as Mittanni CCP couldn't ban them cause they would have no way to confirm that the person doing it was the character in game?
You are not very bright are you. CCP know MIttani said it cos it was on tv. All the other people on the panel are also on tv. Also proof of identity and account ownership is required to even stand for csm. If he had posted the equivelant on Kugu or goon forums they have no way to confirm that the person making the post is actually in any way related to the character "the mittani". In that case they could not act unless he fessed up. Please tell me how CCP could know that the guy claiming to be Kesper North from Gents was in fact the person who logged in as Kesper North? CCP only knew that the Mitanni was the same person as the one speaking at the alliance panel because he was required to give them personal information to be on the CSM. Think about it for a second, if I want to REALLY meta game things up I could record a youtube video, claim to be, for example, Doddy, and urge players in eve to harass someone in game and say something along the lines of 'maybe he'll off himself'. Then I just shoot that video link around, post it on these forums every chance I get and etc.
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Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:46:00 -
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Tei Lin wrote:
I'm PRETTY sure your reaching here. Fanfest attendees, especially panelists, would need to present some form of ID along the way.
I'm pretty sure I am too actually, but its this line of in/out of game but it was a CCP sponsored event using CCP systems and they can confirm that the man is the character thats making the line fuzzy. Even then though other than providing CC information (which you don't HAVE to provide if your account uses PLEX I think) most people who play aren't required to turn over personal information to CCP. Also keep in mind that it was the Mittanni (the in game character) who was punished by the ban, not the real life person who logs in as the Mittani. Unless CCP is passing out secret pass phrases (the Narwhal Bacons at Midnight??) to panel attendees then there's no way to know if the actual dude speaking is the toon in the game. Just like there would be no way to know if the person in a youtube video is in fact the toon they claim to be. |

Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:07:00 -
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Alexandra Alt wrote:The amount of people still subverting things and manipulating text and/or statements to their point of view is astonishing.
. This would be relevant if the thread was about the Mittani. Since its NOT about him but is in fact about a policy your post is not relevant. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:08:00 -
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Alexandra Alt wrote:
You're right probably the personal attack could have been avoided, but then, it's always good to 'read' the tears of bullies who like to do the same on others, and weep like babies when it's them, I couldn't avoid it.
I do promise though, in this thread, only because of your rare clear reasoning given the group you belong to, I'll avoid to do those personal attacks.
Nah no crying, honestly though yes I'm trolling, yes I'm trying to provoke people. Its something that TEST does, its something that makes Test what it is. If that's going to get me banned I'd like to know in advance so I can schedule a real vacation and set a long skill. About Common sense: its not universal. Real me (not Townsend who does what ever the hell he wants) has the advantage of being an ex-pat in a really different culture. Where I live people (and players) will likely NOT report any potential suicide to the authorities (that being CCP) because where I am YOU. DON'T. TALK. TO. THE. COPS. Ever. The fact that there are completely valid reasons to not have done so and to continue to not do so makes the common sense of where I live different from the common sense I was born to. With that in mind, with the fact that EVE is now played by people all over the world with different backgrounds, having a really clear policy, and not nebulous 'common sense', seems to me to be a good idea. Like I said earlier I appreciate the GM participation here, but at times the answers given to less specific scenarios have been less than clear and I think that things like this really should be addressed. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:32:00 -
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I am pretty sure its clarification of what constitutes " rude, offensive, belligerent,[people] and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game." and where the break point is for a ban/warning etc. IF the answer is 'it depends on what the GM says/decides' then that's a policy (of sorts) but its clearer than the semi-non answer that we have now. |

Townsend Harris
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:08:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote: 2. You start following somebody through highsec, repeatedly ganking them and they ask you directly to leave them alone. Gankings have no valid reason, or person yields in regards to whatever situation, then you are the one who should yield. Beyond that, it is intentional attempt to disrupt the enjoyment of the game which I did read is not allowed by EULA rules. Once you cross to the lowsec, this would really no longer apply it is PvP space.. Float in pirate space, you get blown, no avoiding of it. You can camp station, do whatever, person can leave lowsec to be rid of you. They have the options.
In sandbox game thoguh couldn't I (my character) decide that I was going to follow someone around and make their life miserable for totally sociopathic reasons or perhaps no reason at all? |
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